Wednesday, 10 December 2008

POST TRIBULATION FORUM

Hello again folks! The 'JUST as in the days of Noah' blog is on it's way but I must tell you first about Bob Mitchell's new blogspot; reference the post-tribulation rapture view.
If you have been a regular visitor to this blogspot; you will be aware that I, like Bob, am not an adherent to the pre-tribulation rapture theory [and it is a theory]. My personal belief in the pre-wrath rapture view [that the rapture is after satan's wrath but before God's wrath a la the sixth [6th] seal or thereabouts] differs slightly from Bob's but we are 'united' in challenging and critiquing the pre-trib view. I wish with all my heart that it was the correct view but I 'fear' it is not.
The pre-trib theory is at best implicit in scripture but not explicit. Have a look at my previous blogs: "The Pre-Wrath Rapture"; "False Shepherds?" and "Questions for a Pre-Tribulationist" to get a handle on where I'm coming from on this issue. I am a little controversial but the 'sacred cow' of the pre-trib view must be examined and tested if one is to correctly and rightly divide the Word of Truth and call oneself a True Berean. This is the link to this exciting new blog and I shall be shortly adding it onto my recommended picks:-
http://bob-mitchell-post-trib-forum.blogspot.com/
You may be interested to know that I shall be submitting some articles on this new blog via Bob. I'd rather be prepared for the worst and it not happen rather than not be prepared [a la the ten virgins of Matthew chapter 25] and it does happen! Forewarned is fore-armed my friends ... a true watchman warns and sounds the shofar. Even more so in these days of deception .........
God bless you and God bless Israel ... KJS ... 10-Dec-2008

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hearing from the throne that the rapture is a theory, and many are not ready for the tribulation cause they are trusting in this "theory".

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Anonymous said...

(This article reveals some research that is No. 1 on the "hate list" of many "fundy" Christians because it shows that their idolized "rapture" belief - the inspiration behind Lindsey's and LaHaye's all-time bestsellers - is only a 19th century invention and that credit long given to John Darby for it should go to a long unknown 15-year-old girl in Scotland!)


Margaret Macdonald's Rapture Chart !

"church" RAPTURE "church"
(present age) (tribulation)

In early 1830 Margaret was the very first one to see a pre-Antichrist (pretribulation) rapture in the Bible - and John Walvoord and Hal Lindsey lend support for this claim!
Walvoord's "Rapture Question" (1979) says her view resembles the "partial-rapture view" and Lindsey's "The Rapture" (1983) admits that "she definitely teaches a partial rapture."
But there's more. Lindsey (p. 26) says that partial rapturists see only "spiritual" Christians in the rapture and "unspiritual" ones left behind to endure Antichrist's trial. And Walvoord (p. 97) calls partial rapturists "pretribulationists"!
Margaret's pretrib view was a partial rapture form of it since only those "filled with the Spirit" would be raptured before the revealing of the Antichrist. A few critics, who've been repeating more than researching, have noted "Church" in the tribulation section of her account. Since they haven't known that all partial rapturists see "Church" on earth after their pretrib rapture (see the "church-splitting" chart above), they've wrongly assumed that Margaret was a posttrib!
In Sep. 1830 Edward Irving's journal "The Morning Watch" (hereafter: TMW) was the first to publicly reflect her novel view when it saw spiritual "Philadelphia" raptured before "the great tribulation" and unspiritual "Laodicea" left on earth.
In Dec. 1830 John Darby (the so-called "father of dispensationalism" even though he wasn't first on any crucial aspect of it!) was still defending the historic posttrib rapture view in the "Christian Herald."
Pretrib didn't spring from a "church/Israel" dichotomy, as many have assumed, but sprang from a "church/church" one, as we've seen, and was based only on symbols!
But innate anti-Jewishness soon appeared. (As noted, TMW in Sep. 1830 saw only less worthy church members left behind.) In Sep. 1832 TMW said that less worthy church members and "Jews" would be left behind. But by Mar. 1833 TMW was sure that only "Jews" would face the Antichrist!
As late as 1837 the non-dichotomous Darby saw the church "going in with Him to the marriage, to wit, with Jerusalem and the Jews." And he didn't clearly teach pretrib until 1839. His basis then was the Rev. 12:5 "man child...caught up" symbol he'd "borrowed" (without giving credit) from Irving who had been the first to use it for the same purpose in 1831!
For related articles Google "X-Raying Margaret," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "Pretrib Rapture's Missing Lines," "The Unoriginal John Darby," "Open Letter to Todd Strandberg," "Deceiving and Being Deceived" by D.M., "Pretrib Rapture Pride," "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" and "Scholars Weigh My Research." The most documented and accurate book on pretrib rapture history is "The Rapture Plot" (see Armageddon Books online) - a 300-pager that has hundreds of disarming facts (like the ones above) not found in any other source.

[Bravo, Keith. Spotted the above on the amazing web! Ernest]