Saturday, 7 August 2010


Hello again folks! There's a spot of 'controversy' over on Bob Mitchell's excellent blog: SHOFAR MINISTRIES regarding not only the subject of questioning the 'Pre-Trib' rapture but now that other sacred cow: 'Once Saved; Always Saved'. In any case; today I've decided to re-post my blog: ONCE SAVED; ALWAYS SAVED? [] from 25-June-2008 for your re-perusal:

"Hello again folks ... please have a look at this home Bible study outline I once preached/taught about that 'controversial' scripture; Hebrews chapter 6; verses 4-6.

“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened [1], and have tasted [2] of the heavenly [3] gift [4], and were made partakers [5] of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted [2] the good word of God, and the powers [6] of the world to come, If they shall fall away [7], to renew [8] them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” [Hebrews 6:4-6]

[1] ENLIGHTENED; “photizo” [Strongs: 5461]; “phos” [5457]
to shed rays; to shine; to brighten up; enlighten; illuminate; bring or give light; make to see.
* refer also Ephesians 1:18 *

[2] TASTED; “geuomai” [1089]
to taste; eat; experience
* refer also Hebrews 2:9; I Peter 2:3 *

[3] HEAVENLY; “epouranios” [2032]; “epi” [1909]; “ouranos” [3772]
above the sky; celestial; in heaven; high; happiness; power; eternity; [the] Gospel
* refer also Hebrews 12:22 *

[4] GIFT; “dorea” [1431]; “doron” [1435]
gratuity; present; sacrifice; offering; gift
* refer also Ephesians 2:8 *

[5] PARTAKERS; “metochos” [3353]; “metecho” [3348]
participant; sharer; associate; fellow; partner; belong to; pertain; take part; use
* refer also Hebrews 3:14 *

[6] POWERS; “dunamis” [1411]; “dunamai” [1410]
force; miraculous power; miracle; ability; abundance; meaning; might; power; strength; violence; mighty [wonderful] work
* refer also Romans 8:38 *

[7] FALL AWAY; “parapipto” [3895]; “para” [3844]; “pipto” [4098]
fall aside; apostatize; fall way [fail]; fall down; light on
* refer also Romans 11:11-12 [3900] *

[8] RENEW; “anakainizo” [340]; “ana” [303]; “kainos” [2537]
to restore; renew
* refer also Romans 12:2 [342] *

The question of "once saved; always saved" is addressed here; in my own personal opinion. Even what "once saved; always saved" itself needs defining before one goes any further. The ultimate answer to this is found in John chapter 15; which I will paraphrase thus: Stay in the Vine and you'll stay Mine; drop off the Vine and you'll be in the wine[press] of God's wrath."
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To re-iterate an earlier point - in my personal opinion; you'd have to go an awful long way [literally] to get to the point of forfeiting your salvation a la Judas Iscariot. Take a look at the case of one Charles Templeton; a one-time evangelistic associate of Billy Graham and latter day author of the book: "Farewell to God". Do we then contend that this man wasn't saved in the first place? We always have to factor in the loose cannon of free will my friends. Despite the breadth and depth and height of God's Grace.

Real Bereans [Acts 17:11] are truly needed; watchmen must warn; evangelists must compel; DO NOT BE DECEIVED and watch that periphery!

God bless you and God bless Israel ... KJS ... 07-Aug-2010


John Chingford said...

Hi Keith

There are very few verses in the Bible that indicate a loss of salvation. However there are many more that teach the eternal security of the believer.

I take the stance that if the overwhelming teaching of scripture teaches something else than the verses we are looking at, then we must be interpreting this passage incorrectly!

Let us consider that the author was writing to Jewish people who were returning to sacrificial worship. Paul also tackled that point.

That passage could be saying that it is impossible for those who have repented before to again repent in the same way later.

If these people were truly born-again (which seems evident) then they have ALREADY repented and been born-again. They cannot be re re-born again.

In the same way it is ridiculous for those who have been baptised to be baptised again and again every time they "fall away" and return.

Paul mentioned to Galatians that they had "fallen" from grace. He did not say that they had lost their salvation but was pointing out that if they want to become legalistic they have "missed" grace. To fall does not necessarily mean to "lose" salvation but simply to sin against God's grace. They do not need to go through the whole repentance episodes but simply to confess their sins and return to walking in the Spirit.

John Chingford said...

Hi Keith again

Please click on this article on my blog

It gives an excellent argument on why the truly born-again believer has eternal security

Keith J Sinclair said...

John ... once again may I thank you for your graceful and thought provoking comments ... God bless ... Keith [Psalm 122:6-7]