Sunday, 29 August 2010

SO REFRESHING: TIMES SQUARE CHURCH; NYC

Hello again folks! A short blog today to let you know that the Sinclair's have been listening to some solid preaching on the internet this morning/afternoon. We've been listening to Pastor Carter Conlon at Times Square Church in NYC in two [2] audio and video sermons at:


The messages are very much in the same vein as those of David Wilkerson - the Senior Pastor at said church. And it's interesting and noteworthy that such powerful preaching is broadcast from a city that also gives over its streets and boulevards to muslims to pray in from overflowing mosques. This really is the front line of the battle for the hearts and minds of  the West.

Listening to these wise words reminds me of how REAL preaching should be delivered. I heard someone say once that any message should be over in fifteen [15] minutes. Like a surgeon with his sharp scalpel preforms his task efficiently and proficiently. This is because the typical human being has only a limited time span of concentration. O for a church in this vicinity that preaches AND LIVES the True Gospel and is not bogged down with secondary doctrines as sacred cows such as cessationism; the Pre-Trib rapture theorem or 'Once saved; Always saved' and the rest. I feel like I've had a spiritual shot in the arm today. Praise the LORD!

Real Bereans [Acts 17:11] are truly needed; watchmen must warn; evangelists must compel; DO NOT BE DECEIVED and watch that periphery!

God bless you and God bless Israel ... KJS ... 29-Aug-2010

10 comments:

Expected Imminently said...

In spite of the fact that David Wilkerson prophecies falsely? I would be more wary if I were you.

Sue Jakeway

Keith J Sinclair said...

Many thanx for your comment. As always; folks are welcome to their opinion. KJS

John Chingford said...

Hi EI, fancy seeing you here!

I would like to ask you regarding your comments on DW by quoting:

Romans 12:6
We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man's gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to his faith.

I know that the OT says that if someone prophesies falsely ..... he should be stoned etc, but is it not slightly different in the NT, especially under the dispensation of grace. I mean wouldn't the verse above indicate it is different?

A believer may think they have heard from God and is exercising their faith but may get it wrong. Does this mean that they are not a true believer?

Just because they believed they had the gift of prophesying and were trying to put their faith in action, does not mean they do have the gift or that they don't have the Holy Spirit. It could simply be that (like all of us from time to time) they were temporarily walking in the flesh.

Maybe someone who is spiritual should simply come to them and advise them gently that they do not have that gift.

I say these things because SURELY David Wilkerson has proved himself to be a true man of God with humility who rightly divides the Word of Truth? He should have just stuck to teaching the Word and not get caught up in prophesying.

Having said this, he did prophesy correctly regarding the global economic collapse, many years before it happened. He did get his most recent prophesies wrong though with some iffy stuff.

With all the massive apostate things going on and many false teachers/prophets abounding, I don't think we can put DW in the same category?? Although I agree that (as with every one) we should NOT put any man on a pedestal and always be Boreans.

Expected Imminently said...

Hello Keith

It isn’t ‘MY opinion' Keith, I am only concerned with what God’s Word says.

Being a “Real Berean” I would have thought you would have known that a true prophet has to be 100% accurate or THE LORD says to take no notice of his words as that man, or woman, is a false prophet.

Therefore, judging by Mr Wilkerson’s many prophesied disasters levelled against America have never come to pass, GOD say’s, not me, that David Wilkerson prophecies falsely.

Therefore, with respect Keith,you are being spiritually fed by a false prophet and his supporters.

Therefore – “Real Bereans [Acts 17:11] are truly needed; watchmen must warn; evangelists must compel; DO NOT BE DECEIVED and watch that periphery!”

Sue Jakeway

Keith J Sinclair said...

Well said Mr. Chingford. We all stray into foreign fields from time to time [sadly].

I watched/listened to one sermon on Sunday morning. It was challenging; thought provoking and to me; in my opinion; was refeshing.

God bless ... KJS

Expected Imminently said...

Hello Keith and John

With total respect John, you are on extremely shaky ground with this comment. We are emphatically told to ‘test the spirits’. Some Purpose Driven prophecies appear too actually ‘come to pass’ it’s a mix of psycho-heresy and divination of course, but this is how they catch their catch. So the impressed sheep sit and listen to the teachings of this false prophet and absorb its poison systemically, too them, it is AWESOME.

Jesus said beware of deceivers, many times this is repeated throughout the NT. We know that even the elect will be deceived - if it were possible – but it shows how sinister and how very dangerous it is.

Now to my understanding of obedience to The Word of God, it is best to do as HE says and KEEP AWAY, have nothing to do with them, because our spiritual health is in danger, and we are being rebellious against The Lord’s clear instructions. DON’T, any of us, ‘lean to our own understanding’ we are just not clever enough for the deceit of an enemy determined to spoil our fellowship with our heavenly Father.

Think for a moment, what are the DW prophecies about? They are telling the future and this is divination and worse, they are not glorifying Jesus. Prophets in the NT are to speak out God’s Word, that is, encouragement or reproof with what is already written in the Canon. NT prophets are NOT the same as OT prophets whose words were recorded to make up the Canon which is now complete. So we don’t even have to wait very long to see if it is false or not – we test the spirits by turning to The Word of God where it MUST be taken in context.

As an example, I am known as a Sanballat and a tool of Satan because I have interrupted the building of the Purpose Driven ‘wall’ and dared to question their ‘prophesied’ work. Neh. 4:1 is their source – used against me by removing it from its context and allegorising it.

NT prophets are to speak out God’s Word into a situation as led by The Holy Spirit, and if those words are not part of the canon, then those words are NOT from God. ‘Prophesying’ on the economic collapse of the US was a sure bet to anyone who remotely understands how the market works. This wasn’t ‘prophecy’, it was a reasonable guess that paid off. It really doesn’t pay to be so naïve these days boys.

Sue Jakeway

Expected Imminently said...

Hello Keith John
With total respect John, you are on extremely shaky ground with this comment. We are emphatically told to ‘test the spirits’. Some Purpose Driven prophecies appear too actually ‘come to pass’ it’s a mix of psycho-heresy and divination of course, but this is how they catch their catch. So the impressed sheep sit and listen to the teachings of this false prophet and absorb its poison systemically, too them, it is AWESOME.

Jesus said beware of deceivers, many times this is repeated throughout the NT. We know that even the elect will be deceived - if it were possible – but it shows how sinister and how very dangerous it is. Now to my understanding of obedience to The Word of God, it is best to do as HE says and KEEP AWAY, have nothing to do with them, because our spiritual health is in danger, and we are being rebellious against The Lord’s clear instructions. DON’T, any of us ‘lean to our own understanding’ we are just not clever enough for the deceit of an enemy determined to spoil our fellowship with our heavenly Father.

Think for a moment, what are the DW prophecies about? They are telling the future and this is divination and worse, are not glorifying Jesus. Prophets in the NT are to speak out God’s Word, that is, encouragement or reproof with what is already written in the Canon. NT prophets are NOT the same as OT prophets whose words were recorded to make up the Canon which is now complete. So we don’t even have to wait very long to see if it is false or not – we test the spirits by turning to The Word of God where it MUST be taken in context. As an example, I am known as a Sanballat and a tool of Satan because I have interrupted the building of the Purpose Driven ‘wall’ and dared to question their ‘prophesied’ work. Neh. 4:1 is their source – used against me by removing it from its context and allegorising it.

NT prophets are to speak out God’s Word into a situation as led by The Holy Spirit, and if those words are not part of the canon, then those words are NOT from God. ‘Prophesying’ on the economic collapse of the US was a sure bet to anyone who remotely understands how the market works. This wasn’t ‘prophecy’, it was a reasonable guess that paid off. It really doesn’t pay to be so naïve these days boys.

Sue Jakeway

Expected Imminently said...

Hello Keith
Thank you for acknowledging my posts.

May I take opportunity to reassure that I am not judging Mr Wilkerson as a brother in Christ.

Matthew 7 is emphatic that we are not to judge one another; that’s very clear. I have heard some say that we CAN judge another once we have removed the ‘beam’ from our own eye, yet none of us is able to cleanse ourselves, only Christ’s Blood can do that. We all have motes and beams in our spiritual vision, we are totally dependant upon Christ alone for our righteousness; therefore we can never come to that place of being able to remove a speck from the eye of another believer.

“By their fruits you will know them”! I can hear the cry now in indignation; but the context of that verse concerns the fruit born by False Prophets; THEIR fruits, not the desired fruit of the Holy Spirit slowly forming within a believer’s life as the Holy Spirit works in sanctification. It is the WORDS of a ‘prophet’ that MUST be judged.

But with indignation the cry goes up ‘God is Love, we mustn’t be unloving’! Of course we are to speak the truth in love, but that very act is seen as an offense, not recognising that it is for the Love of God a believer will speak the truth to their fellow and bear the brunt of ‘cast stones’.

Why bother, why do it? Because God is indeed Love, but equally God is HOLY and today that is forgotten with a ‘matey’ attitude of ‘dear old dad’. Father He is; and also Creator of the heavens and the earth and everything in it. The angels cry HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, we would all do well not to forget that.

Why are we offended when told THE Truth? Because the truth is ignored when the heart is pricked; pride and resentment leap to the fore in an act of SELF defence, and that is the problem with each one of us.

Paul said “I” meaning ‘self’ die daily. “I” meaning ‘self’ MUST decrease that He (Jesus) might increase. To suppress the strong man of SELF is a continuous daily battle. IF we love Jesus, we will obey Him and daily search His written Word to see “Hath God said”.

I enclose the following link for those who desire to know the Biblical use of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit taught by brother Chuck Smith, who knows what it is like to ‘prophecy falsely’ repent and be forgiven. In particular how we may prophecy according to God’s written Word.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/comm_topic.cfm?AuthorID=1&commInfo=63&GroupID=0

Thank you for allowing me to speak what is in my heart – and let the others judge. God bless.

YSIC

Susan Jakeway

Anonymous said...

looks like we dont need to listen to god as he only speaks to sue?

Anonymous said...

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